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Yes on 8 -Facts
12 posts, 5 voices , started 1 month agoPosted on Wednesday, October 8, 2008 by machel
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Fact Sheet
Proposition 8 protects the people’s will and overturns activist judges.
In 2000 over 61% of Californians voted in favor of Proposition 22 to reaffirm that only
marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California. However,
because this language wasn’t put into the state Constitution when it was approved, four
activist judges from San Francisco wrongly overturned the people’s vote. In November
2008, Proposition 8 gives California voters the opportunity to reverse the court’s decision
and restore the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman in the state
Constitution.Proposition 8 is simple and straightforward.
Proposition 8 contains the same 14 words that were previously approved in 2000 by over
61% of California voters: “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or
recognized in California.” By putting these words directly into the state Constitution, the
court cannot strike them down as unconstitutional.Proposition 8 is about preserving marriage; it’s not an attack on
the gay lifestyle.
Proposition 8 doesn’t take away any rights or benefits from gay or lesbian domestic
partners. Under California law, “domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections
and benefits” as married spouses. (Family Code §297.5.) There are no exceptions to this.
Proposition 8 will not change this.Proposition 8 protects our children.
Proposition 8 protects our children from being taught in public schools that same-sex
marriage is the same as traditional marriage. In health education classes, state law requires
teachers to instruct children as young as kindergarteners about marriage. (Education Code
§51890.) If the same-sex marriage ruling is not overturned, teachers will be required to
teach young children that there is no difference between gay marriage and traditional
marriage.Proposition 8 protects marriage as an essential institution of
society.
Proposition 8 protects marriage and the important role of a traditional family. While death,
divorce or other circumstances may prevent the ideal, the best situation for a child is to be
raised by a married mother and father.YES on Proposition 8 does three simple things.
It restores the definition of marriage to what the vast majority of California voters
already approved and human history has understood marriage to be.It overturns the outrageous decision of four activist Supreme Court judges who ignored
the will of the people.It protects our children from being taught in public schools that “same-sex marriage” is
the same as traditional marriage.Vote Yes on Proposition 8!
www.ProtectMarriage.com
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Machel: I favor equal treatment of heterosexual unions and gay unions in the civil law. In terms of religious tenets, I respect the province of faith traditions to define marriage as they deem proper under their belief systems. I do not think that a religious view, however, should prevail in the civil law. Equal respect and equal treatment of all people regardless of sexual preference are sound public policy to me.
I also see no threat to society from the equal treatment and respect of gay persons. The homosexual population has been with us forever; and we are doing just fine. Indeed, heterosexual marriage has been the only model in America traditionally, and these marriages continue to fail at an astonishing rate, leaving wounded children and economically stressed women in their wake all too often. I do not see what additional harm gay marriage could possibly add.
I favor human love, and the ability of human beings to commit to one another in love. Let’s not place discriminatory language in any constitution or state statute. This kind of approach runs contary to the kind of world that our great civil rights leaders have fought to realize.
Finally, many of our children are gay. Not infrequently, they come to know this about themselves at a young age. I want them to feel respected and valued and whole – not like they are somehow something less or something wrong. Our kids deserve better than the kind of world that Prop 8 would bring. Our kids deserve to know that all people are capable of loving their neighbor and contributing to society as a whole. That’s my take. Sarab
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Interesting comments, thanks for your opinion. Here are some Myths and Facts about Proposition 8.
MYTH: Proposition 8 enshrines discrimination in our Constitution.
FACT: Proposition 8 does not discriminate against gays; it simply restores the meaning of
marriage and protects it as an essential institution that has benefited mankind since the
beginning of time. Every culture in the world understands that marriage is between a man and
a woman. Californians from all walks of life and ethnic backgrounds, whether religious or not,
agree that marriage is between a man and a woman.Proposition 8 does not take away any rights from gay and lesbian domestic partners. Gays and
lesbians in California can already enjoy all the legal rights and benefits of marriage. The
California Family Code says, “domestic partners shall have all the rights, protections and
benefits” of married spouses. There are NO exceptions to this. Proposition 8 will not change
that.MYTH: Allowing gay couples to legally marry does not affect
anyone else.FACT: The narrow decision of the State Supreme Court effectively renders all civil marriage
meaningless and will result in tremendous confusion for children. The state Education Code
(§51890) requires that teachers instruct children as young as kindergartners about marriage. If
the gay marriage ruling becomes permanent, teachers will have little choice but to teach young
children there is no difference between gay marriage and traditional marriage.We should not accept a court decision that results in public school teachers teaching our kids
that gay marriage is acceptable. That is an issue for parents to discuss with their children
according to their own values and beliefs. It should not be forced on us against our will.MYTH: This proposition is the work of right wing radicals and
extremists to attack the rights of gays.FACT: Proposition 8 is supported by a broad range of organizations and individuals, including
faith leaders representing virtually every faith in California – and those who subscribe to no
faith at all. People from every walk of life believe that marriage is between a man and a
woman. Over 1.1 million Californians signed the petitions to put Proposition 8 on the ballot.If gay marriage advocates want to change the definition of marriage, they should have to put a
ballot measure before the voters to do so. This has never happened. Instead, they have gone
behind the backs of voters and convinced four activist judges in San Francisco to redefine
marriage for all of society. That is the wrong approach.Proposition 8 does not interfere with gays living the lifestyle they choose. However, while gays
can live as they want, they should not have the right to redefine marriage for the rest of
society.MYTH: The majority of the State Supreme Court said that gay
marriage is a “right”, so the rest of us should leave the issue
alone.FACT: Ultimately, the legal meaning of marriage is up to the people to decide. Four judges on
the Supreme Court declared that gay marriage is a “right” because the traditional definition of
marriage did not expressly appear in the state Constitution itself. Proposition 8 overturns the
court’s flawed decision by amending the state Constitution to include the common-sense
definition of marriage that was previously approved by over 61% of the voters (Proposition 22,
enacted in 2000, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in
California”).Vote Yes on Proposition 8!
www.ProtectMarriage.com
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Respectfully, I fail to see how the institution of marriage comes under threat because of same sex marriage. Why does the institution need protection? That is the central myth behind Prop 8 – the myth that same sex marriage poses any threat at all. The institution of marriage is actually enhanced by the inclusion of same sex partners – this means that marriage enjoys a wider embrace within society – it becomes more esteemed and more valued by more people. The only thing that is truly threatened is the belief by some that homosexual unions are sinful or unnatural. It is my hope that as our society is gradually doing in the contexts of race and gender in terms of recognizing equality, it will also do in the contexts of sexual preference and sexual identity. The world will be so much easier and peaceful when we all stop looking to preserve old notions about the differences between us. Just think for a moment about the amount of money and energy that is being tossed away on Prop 8 as California struggles to balance its budget! Wouldn’t that money and energy be better devoted to health care or poverty programs?
I also disagree with the premise that children would be ill-served to learn in school that gay people are free to live and love like all other people. This lesson of respect and tolerance is a very good thing for our society. When we shelter our children from situations that we, as adults fear or misunderstand, we feed intolerance and prejudice. Remember that a gay child is sitting in many a class room in America – how wonderful that the teacher might fill that child with hope and dreams of a full life.
Finally, I think that the definition of marriage should be all inclusive within City Hall and the Courthouse. To draw a distinction between gay unions and straight unions is simply intended to preserve a discriminatory feeling toward one – it is intended to value one over the other. Let the churches do the discriminating – not civil society. No hetersexual marriage will be severed or harmed by a single gay marriage – heterosexual partners have harmed their own marriages for centuries all on their own, even as gays have watched from the sidelines, or from the closet where many a Prop 8 supporter would return them. Let’s think bigger!
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I agree with thinking bigger. I believe there should be equality for all. Do you have children of your own? I have closely watched many children grow up over the years. Even with my own children, I have an open mind. If my boys felt more comfortable playing with baby dolls or doing things that girls traditionally do; I would not discourage their behavior. My daughter has never behaved in the traditional play of “typical” girlie-girl” activities. From my own observations, kids change their minds constantly about what they like and what they like to do. They are like sponges and they can make their own choices. Their taste changes throughout the course of their development.
I do not want young children to be forced to learn about gay marriage in the public school system. If they decide that they feel more comfortable with the same sex, then let them make that decision when they are 18 years old, just like everything else. At that time they are mature enough to know what their preferences are. If a parent believes their child is unwaverly gay, it is the parents responsibility to teach them that its okay to be who you are.
Prop 8 does eliminate equality for same sex marriage. Under California law, “domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections and benefits as married spouses. (Family Code 297.5) There are no exceptions to this. Prop 8 will not change this.
Vote Yes on Proposition 8 !
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Machel –
This was a very interesting read for me. I was not familiar with Proposition 8. Where do you think California leans on this issue?
Annie
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Over 1.1 million Californians signed the petitions to place Prop 8 on the ballot. It is supported by a broad range of organizations and individuals, including faith leaders representing virtually every faith in California – AND THOSE WHO SUBSCRIBE TO NO FAITH AT ALL. People from every walk of life believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.
It was approved in 2000 by over 61% of California voters. It was four activist judges in San Francisco who wrongly overturned the people’s vote. That’s why we need to pass this measure as a constitutional amendment to restore the definition of marriage.
Voting YES on Proposition 8 does 3 simple things:
It restores the definition of marriage to what the vast majority of California voters already approved and what Californians agree should be supported, not undermined.
It overturns the outrageous decision of four activist Supreme Court judges who IGNORED the will of the people.
It protects our children from being taught in public schools that “same-sex marriage” is the same as traditional marriage, and prevents other consequences to Californians who will be forced to not just be tolerant of gay lifestyles, but face mandatory compliance regardless of their personal beliefs.
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Machel
Thank you for elaborating.
First, I have issues with these judges. They are supposed to be representing the people and if they aren’t there should be something done…. We need oversight in so many places!
Second, I agree about the discussions in school. Why does this have to be such a big issue? Should we discuss plural marriage as well? Do we discuss common law marriage? To me it seems to be the squeaky wheel syndrome taking effect.
Where we live, it used to be that we were given a book at the beginning of the year which lists topics being discussed and we can opt out of them if we choose. I liked that choice, even though I never exercised it. Now that I think about it, I don’t remember seeing it this year. Hmm.
Annie
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Marriage is between one woman and one man. Period. Divorce rate has nothing to do with it. They aren’t divorcing because their gay friends aren’t allowed to get married to one another.
It is NOT discrimination to say that two women should not be allowed to marry each other. It IS sinful and unnatural. To deny right to marry is NOT to deny one’s choice to live in that manner. I accept someone’s lifesyle choice, but do not support their desire to legalize it. My younger daughter lives with another girl in a lesbian relationship. I love them both. They are both welcome in my house any time and visit often. I accept their relationship choice. We all three have a great relationship(s). But I would NEVER agree that they should be allowed to marry! Period.
The reason it was not in the original constitution is because two men wouldn’t have DARED to try to get married “back then“! I am glad that they do not have to live in shame and are allowed to be more open about their choices, but let’s not pervert marriage as it is intended. Period!
Annie-good point-I also think we need to address multiple wives, and “common-law” marriage as well, as they are just as wrong.
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Le Anne
I think you misread my point… I was saying (somewhat tongue in cheek) if we talk about one we should talk about all or talk about none.
Annie
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Oops. lol! I agree anyway. Let’s talk about it all!! :) None is probably safer, huh?
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I am just going to unsubscribe from this post. It’s just asking for trouble to stay on it. Annie darling, it has nothing to do with you. I’ll see you elsewhere! :)
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